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Dec. 13th, 2003

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From:zarfmouse
Date:December 14th, 2003 11:13 am (UTC)
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Kucinich walks a fine line on the whole abortion question. He has historically been somewhat pro-life for moral reasons (consistent ethic of life...anti-death penalty, pro-life, vegan). He is also, unlike many anti-abortion conservatives, very feminist. He supports Roe v. Wade because he realizes that the alternative was and would be very bad for women. But he would like to create a world in which abortions were less neccessary.

This is a sticky issue for him because many of his supporters (like me) wish he didn't have that former-pro-life skeleton in his closet. On the other hand, he gets a little more cred with the "heartland" moderates ("reagan democrats") because he can explain to them how a person who is somewhat opposed to abortion can be pro-choice and support Roe v. Wade.

I don't know what "fetal rights" means so I can't say what his position on that would be.

You hope he gets the nomination but wouldn't vote for him but think he's better than Bush? Are you saying you wouldn't vote for him in the primary (who would you vote for?) or you wouldn't vote for him in the general if he won the primary (who would you vote for?)?
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From:mathuaerknedam
Date:December 15th, 2003 03:52 pm (UTC)
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By my understanding "Fetal Rights" refers to the idea that the fetus is a legitimate person with all of the rights afforded as such. An abortion would be denying the unborn child his or her rights.

Libertarians are vigorously divided on this issue as each side places ultimate value on individual rights and freedoms. One side views the fetus as nothing more than the flesh of the mother (who has to right to do with as she pleases), while the other sees the fetus as a person (whose rights and freedoms must be protected). Not surprisingly, the LP avoids the issue, saying that the government should be involved in the question. :-(
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From:mathuaerknedam
Date:December 15th, 2003 04:07 pm (UTC)
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Heh. Was I a bit ambiguous?

I'm saying that I hope he gets the Dem nomination and that he defeats Bush. I won't vote for him in the general election because I'll be voting Libertarian. (Sure, I'd prefer the LP candidate would win the general, just like you'd prefer the Green. I'd prefer either over Dem/Rep, but we both know that's not happening anytime soon.) I imagine that we have a similar feeling of amazement at how much of our respective party's platform has been adopted by Kucinich. I'm psyched.

As far as voting in the primaries, I don't know. It's less that I'm undecided as that I'm ignorant. I know virtually nil regarding primaries, including how to vote in one. Until you started discussing this a few weeks ago, I didn't even realize that normal people voted in the primaries. I always thought it was a party thing.

I might not be the only person reading your LJ that would benefit from a tutorial on primaries (or a pointer to one). It might be worth it's one entry.

I'm highly amused by the image of you and I going to the primaries and voting the same, knowing that each will vote rather differently in the generals. :-)
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From:zarfmouse
Date:December 15th, 2003 10:46 pm (UTC)
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Well if Kucinich wins the primary, I will vote for him in the General. If anyone else wins in the primary I am most likely to vote Green in the general.

Primaries work differently in each state. In Illinois, registered voters go to the polls on the day of the primary election and ask for a democratic or republican ballot. Any voter can vote in the primaries but only on one party's ballot. Only the "Major Parties" get a primary. If the Greens or Libs get more than 5% on a full slate of candidates statewide then they'll get major party status and a primary of their own.

The primaries determine whose delegates the state level party sends to the party's national convention where the candidate is officially selected by the delegates (it's like the electoral college but within the party structure).

When it gets closer to the primaries perhaps I'll post a more detailed summary of the process to my LJ along with info about registering to vote.

In some states you have to register with a party when you register to vote. In Illinois that does not happen. You choose your party freely on the day of the primaries when you ask for a ballot.

I think you'd be surprised to learn that moderate greens and moderate libs agree on a lot of practical issues. Our underlying philosophies are different (though unlike true socialists, Greens do understand and embrace the idea of markets solving problems...we just think that external hidden costs should be paid by producers rather than by society at large, hence certain regulations to assure that producers pay the true cost of their production (if you pollute, then you pay to clean it up, if you cause health problems then you pay to treat them, etc) but in the end our relationship to the status quo is often the same and there are many issues on which we can find common ground.
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