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Dec. 8th, 2003

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From:bdar
Date:December 8th, 2003 05:35 pm (UTC)
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I'm sorry if you felt piled upon and if you perceived me to be a part of that pile. I don't believe I ever disparaged you for voting your conscience; my point at the start was that I no longer feel faith in voting on principle.

Good for you if you still can. But there was much ugliness surrounding the election in 2000, and it made me understand only that principle means little if you can't win.
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From:zarfmouse
Date:December 8th, 2003 08:20 pm (UTC)
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Ultimately, it was no big deal. It was a conversation that clearly needed to be had if I'm to continue posting Greenish stuff to this audience. Obviously it's something that's been on a lot of people's minds. I've had much of this conversation with other Dems that I discuss a lot of politics with and I'd forgotten that while the issue was now settled with them that it wasn't settled with everyone. I didn't really neccessarily want to spend so much time right at that moment writing so much stuff defending/exploring my ideas and reading/processing so much critique but in the end I'm glad I did.

I feel like we all kind of understand each other a little better now and it doesn't seem like feelings were hurt which is something else that worried me.
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From:bdar
Date:December 8th, 2003 08:22 pm (UTC)
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Glad to hear it. Some sort of glitch with the LJ was making it impossible to see any comments I had recently posted, and I'd feared you'd done some web maneuvering to block me out entirely--which would have been disappointing.
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From:zarfmouse
Date:December 8th, 2003 08:25 pm (UTC)
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Yah, LJ's been particularly weird lately about comment display latency.

Certainly I'd never shut you up!

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From:ke_jia
Date:December 8th, 2003 09:58 pm (UTC)
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I've been critical in these threads, but I hope I haven't crossed over to implying disrespect for your incredible activism and idealism. My intent has been to share my perspective, and solicit (then read, and consider) your responses.
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From:zarfmouse
Date:December 8th, 2003 10:03 pm (UTC)
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It was the volume of responses calling me out for voting for Nader, not any one response, that took me unawares. It's cool though. It's not like I have a reason to expect that I can take a radical stand and not have people question it or not understand it.
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From:zarfmouse
Date:December 8th, 2003 10:05 pm (UTC)
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Which is to say, I know I'm asking for it when I stir up the shit. I'm just so used to people not saying much when I post that I maybe haven't been treating my posts as if they are being read...so maybe I wasn't in the mindset of "form a really tight argument and be prepared to defend it" as much as "throw this random text out there for archival and amusement purposes". I expected those who agreed to say "yep, haha" and those who disagreed to say "that zach's such a predictible radical dork, haha". Ultimately I'm REALLY glad that it turned into an interesting discussion it just took me a little bit of time to adjust to that level of discourse in this particular forum.
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