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Oct. 30th, 2003

12:40 pm - Fighting the Smoking Man

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From:zarfmouse
Date:October 30th, 2003 11:14 am (UTC)
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Oh I wasn't trying to suggest that the founding fathers were a bunch of lefties. Rather, I beleive that this nation has ALWAYS had a tension between various political ideologies. Socialism, pacifism, progressivism, populism, anti-corporatism, and other such lefty ideologies are nothing new or foreign to the American Tradition. That all kinds of other ideologies are also part of the tradition simply confirms that central to the tradition is a diverse culture with lots of different approaches to the task of organizing society. This is my response to your attempts to label the views of my movement as Un-American. I'd say there's nothing more Un-American than labeling something as such, but then that's a sad part of the tradition as well.

Red-baiting is such a tired and boring tactic.
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From:swank76
Date:October 30th, 2003 11:26 am (UTC)
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True. America is a dynamic political entity. What I object to as Un-American is the beliefs of a small group who see the need to go beyond raising awareness of an issue and moving the masses to vote, I see the extremists (of both sides) who push forward with faulty data and a false claim of serving the people. I object to simply being told by a commercial, "Smoking is bad". Tell me why, let me make a choice and then let me suffer the consequences. Don't sue for money on "my behalf" for a bad choice I willingly made. Don't file a politically expedient but practically worthless lawsuit.

Un-American is the person lobbying to take away a merchant's right to run his establishment as he sees fit by allowing smoking. If the public truly does not want to be in that environemt, they won't frequent that establishment. Vote with your dollars, don't harm people trying to earn a buck in a legal and ethical manner.

I term these things "Communism" in a tongue-in-cheek manner. As a child of the 1980's, I remember the three greatest movie villains as Nazis, Ninjas and Commies. Calling someone a Nazi has entirely different connotations!
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From:zarfmouse
Date:October 30th, 2003 11:33 am (UTC)
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I've addressed these issues in my other posts on the other journal, so I point there.
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From:swank76
Date:October 30th, 2003 11:37 am (UTC)
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Agreed. It's rare that one meets someone of an opposing viewpoint who is intelligent and articulate enough to talk about it.
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From:zarfmouse
Date:October 30th, 2003 11:40 am (UTC)

heh

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*bows to his worthy opponent and walks off stage*
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From:swank76
Date:October 30th, 2003 11:45 am (UTC)

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Odd question. I've heard you make refernces to a Co-op in C-U. What are you referring to?
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From:zarfmouse
Date:October 30th, 2003 01:19 pm (UTC)

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Depending on context I'm either refering to The Common Ground Food Coop or the Community of Urbana-Champaign Housing Coop. I talk about the former more often than the latter.

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From:stuffedsheep29
Date:October 30th, 2003 01:35 pm (UTC)

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You know Sal, you and I both belonged to Common Ground at one point :)
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From:zarfmouse
Date:October 30th, 2003 01:43 pm (UTC)

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I knew Sal was a closet commie underneath that hard libertarian exterior.
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From:swank76
Date:October 30th, 2003 01:50 pm (UTC)

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I'm full of surprises.
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