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Death and Birth - The Life and Thoughts of Zach

Jan. 9th, 2005

08:40 pm - Death and Birth

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From:zarfmouse
Date:January 10th, 2005 09:25 pm (UTC)

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Well there's already ELF. I think that while ELFs actions are not as frequent as the Weathermen's that they are done in much the same spirit.

I do frequently wonder about the leaders thing. Is the fact that we don't have these big inspirational charismatic public leader figures a sign that we aren't as organized as they were in the 60s, or is it a sign that we are stronger because we are more decentralized and because there is no one to assasinate, kidnap, or "convert" to bring the whole movement down?

I'm never sure if we're lying to ourselves when we compare our movement to the radicalism of the 1960s. Maybe we're small and weak and ineffective compared to that MASSIVE organizing and militancy. Or maybe we're smarted and bigger and building towards something more powerful. Or mostly likely and truthfully, maybe we're the logical extension and continuation of that movement and there has been no break in continuity just changes in the way our story is told and what the public thinks about us.


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From:juvenilia
Date:January 10th, 2005 09:36 pm (UTC)

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i think that the left is decentralized because we don't have such huge issues to gather around. civil rights is still an issue but not the same way it was in the 60s. the war is still a big issue but not the same way vietnam was (why, i don't know, lord knows it should be...).

i wonder sometimes if it's that there are fewer big issues now than then, or if there are just tons and tons now and everyone is dividing their energies toward what really matters to them. for example, i support gay marriage but that's not what i'm going to put my energy toward, because there are other things that are more important to me personally. yaknow?

i was trying to think of who the leaders will be. i can't really think of anything.
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From:juvenilia
Date:January 10th, 2005 09:55 pm (UTC)

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it SO creeps me out when people tag "yet" onto the end of that. and by "creeps out" i mean, i want to leave the country pronto.
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From:juvenilia
Date:January 10th, 2005 10:01 pm (UTC)

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that's the first time i've heard it put that way, actually. i never thought about it like that.
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From:juvenilia
Date:January 10th, 2005 10:12 pm (UTC)

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hrm. i know exactly how you feel. but rather than looking at the positive side, i look for plane tickets to far off lands :)
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From:rettiger
Date:January 10th, 2005 10:15 pm (UTC)

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Earth Liberation Front. They are a radical animal rights group. WAY left of me. And I'm pretty left.
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From:rettiger
Date:January 10th, 2005 10:17 pm (UTC)

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By "Animal rights" I mean "Environmental rights"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Liberation_Front

They're scary.
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From:zarfmouse
Date:January 10th, 2005 10:22 pm (UTC)

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Earth Liberation Front

It's a totally decentralized movement of radical cell groups that do property destruction actions against companies that do environmental damage. They pride themselves on having destroyed (usually through arson) X million dollars worth of property and never having killed or injured a person.

This very closely parallels the Weathermen who bombed many facilities associated with the Vietnam war but did very careful planning and no one other than members of their own movement was ever killed or injured by their actions. The difference between ELF and the Weathermen is that there was a period of about a year when something got bombed almost every (day? week?). ELF's actions are much more random.



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