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May. 18th, 2003

02:04 am - Matrix

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Reloaded. (spoilery) Lots of beautiful mindless action. Really a letdown compared to my expectations. Not nearly as much thinking as I'd hoped for. BUT I still had a fun time. The movie taps your gut emotional responses for sure. And I think it saved itself with the major plot twists at the end. I have a lot of hope that this movie set up some serious ground work for some serious thinking in the next movie. I mean holy crap is the "free world" just another level of the matrix (I assume that is why Neo could control reality there and why Smith could "phone out" to the "real world" after he took over that dude)? In that case WHAT IS THE MATRIX? Or perhaps the question is "What is the meta-matrix, because clearly the matrix is contained in the "real world" but perhaps the "real world" is not real. So maybe this clears up the science flub on "infinitely renewable power source". Maybe the way in which the world seems to be something other than what it is is entirely different than a bunch of humans being kept alive in order to get power. Or alternatively maybe the "real world" of Zion really is real but because Neo has some "programming" from the Matrix caught up in his brain he is now able to actually control machines from outside the matrix. And maybe Smith downloaded himself into that guy's brain and now there's a smith clone in the real world that doesn't look like smith.

I like to hope that maybe the matrix is all about distributed computing more than distributed power collection. Brains as CPUs. I dunno. There's definitely some interesting thinking to be done on this.

Not to mention the general themes of control and free will have gotten pretty well set up. I think the third movie could go quite far with that. We'll see.

I wanna say this movie sucked but the more I think about it the more I think I actually really liked it and I'm just mad at myself for liking such a action dominated movie.

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From:khudirambose
Date:May 18th, 2003 01:11 am (UTC)
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dont be ashamed for liking it. it was a good movie. just enjoy it. leave the serious filmmaking to eric rohmer.
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From:dygel
Date:May 18th, 2003 07:20 pm (UTC)
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I'm absolutely positive that it's not a matrix-within-a-matrix thing. That's been done before (The Thirteenth Floor) and the W-brothers know that damn well. What I think is more plausable is that Smith told Neo that when Neo had first "destroyed" there was some kind of transferance of power. Now, Smith has increased ability within the Matrix. It should follow that Neo has increased ability over the sentinels that Smith had control over as an agent.
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From:queerfrosty
Date:May 18th, 2003 10:32 pm (UTC)
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i wanted so badly to like/understand this film. maybe i didnt like it because i was bored and didnt really understand it all. actually i just thought the sex scene was too long, the fight scenes were too long, the computer graphics werent done very well, nothing was explained very clearly.. and i dont know.. i just didnt understand it and i loved the 1st one.. i just hope this next one will resolve everything a little more. i got into an arguement with my gf on the way home because she said Neo was a program like the oracle and the keymaker, but i dont really see that. i dont know.. you seemed to have understood it more than i did... haha
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From:zarfmouse
Date:May 18th, 2003 10:46 pm (UTC)
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There's a great site that explores some of the philsophy. My roomate and I have just been talking about it at great length. This article is really heady and

The more I think about this movie and think about the quirky things that they were exploring the more I like it. I'm starting to think I need to see it again because I know there was some important stuff that I missed that I'd like to think harder about. The architect scene in particular had a LOT of important stuff going on in it. But the funny thing about it is that we don't know if we can trust that guy at all so even if you really pay attention to what he says you might get more mislead.

I don't think Neo is a program inside the matrix the way the Oracle is. The Oracle and the keymaker can't leave the matrix. Neo can. So Neo is different. And I think he's definitely supposed to be human because he's got free will, and he can love, and he's the protagonist (unless they're REALLY fucking with the standard forms).

But I do think the line between program and human, the line between "real" and "matrix" is VERY much more blurry than we think. I think it's entirely possible that Neo has some "program code" in his brain, downloaded there by the Matrix, which he's able to carry out into "the real world". It is possible that "the real world" is not really real, or maybe it is. Only the third movie will tell.

But I've become fully satisfied that this movie has enough content to inspire a TON of conversation. So I think it's all good. I'm done with hating it and moving on towards loving it. I'm so bipolar.

I keep hearing people say they thought the CGI (graphics) was bad but I didn't see that at all. I thought it was seamless. And as my roomate pointed out, how can anyone complain about too much computer graphics in a movie about a computer generated world? I mean would anyone complain that Tron had too much computer graphics?

Things weren't explained clearly but I think that was the point. I think the makers of the movie want people to spend the time between now and the next movie really thinking about this stuff and making theories. And then the next movie is going to blow all of our theories out of the water and we'll be really wowed at the revelations....BUT....I'm sure they'll also open up a ton of other questions that will never be answered...and so it'll be just like real life philosophy: there are always open questions.
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From:zarfmouse
Date:May 18th, 2003 10:52 pm (UTC)
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Doh I screwed up and didn't do the link right.
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From:bdar
Date:May 22nd, 2003 12:24 pm (UTC)

The Architect scene

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My general feeling about the Architect scene is that what Neo discovered wasn't that he was a program or somesuch, but that the real world--which I take to be "real," not simply a meta-Matrix--also operates in a repeating system, with Zion as the center of that mathematics. Neo is the One/Anomaly; a being whose brain patterns can form the Matrix to its will--but the Anomaly is itself a repeating facet of the Zion system. Furthermore, the Architect has found that he can control the repeating system through the destruction of Zion and through the predictability of the Anomaly.

The Architect told Neo that five Anomalies previous had existed, and all of them chose to let Zion die (and then restart Zion with 7 males and 16 females), because the alternative is--or so the Architect believes--to destroy every mind in the Matrix. Neo's own anomaly is his love for Trinity, which is something the previous five Anomalies allegedly didn't have, and the Architect believes that this love is what dooms humanity. By choosing to alter the repeating system, the Architect believes that humanity will now die out, as Neo's actions will destroy those in the Matrix while the machines will destroy every living creature in Zion.

The Architect's theory, mind you, is largely untested. While Zion has been destroyed five times before, the Matrix has prevailed, and the Architect has only a theory that Neo's decision will rip apart the fabric of the virtual reality.

Hmm. You know, I've discussed my views on this scene in maybe six different places this week, and I haven't gotten tired of it. By the by, I love the film. I think it takes the mind-boggles of the first and takes them to an Nth degree the same way they did so with the action sequences.
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