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Apr. 2nd, 2005

02:32 pm - The Pope is dead, we are all a Pope.

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The Pope is now really dead, the rest of us are going to have to pick up the slack.

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From:dygel
Date:April 4th, 2005 02:37 pm (UTC)
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I'm really worried about the Catholic Church. JPII was the most progressive Pope the Catholics have had ever. Even if he wasn't the most "progressive" by secular standards, think about what he did in the context of Catholocism.

Right now there are a lot of highly conservative forces at work within the Church and I'm very worried that the next pope will be regressive and - frankly - dangerous.
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From:zarfmouse
Date:April 4th, 2005 04:07 pm (UTC)
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I was under the impression that the church was on a much more progressive/liberal path at the time of "Vatican II" and that JPII actually reversed some of those trends during his rule.

What danger do you think a pope can pose to the world? Do you think the next pope will be less of a pacifist than JPII was? Do you think the next Pope will end the current work on debt relief?

Certainly the next Pope couldn't get any worse when it comes to women, reproductive rights and the worldwide HIV crisis, or sexual orientation.
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From:dygel
Date:April 4th, 2005 05:01 pm (UTC)
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JPII hasn't reversed any of the trends from Vatican II. He hasn't moved forward in the same fashion, but he's meen exceedingly progressive nonetheless. He's been progressive in more of a public relations sort of way. The Catholic Church has done some real bad shit to certain ethnicities and cultures in its past, and JPII has been on the front lines healing those wounds.

Think if the US President (hypothetically speaking) spent his life atoning for the shit our country has done to Native Americans since our country was a country, and even before that. Sure, he's not paving the road to gay marriage - in fact, he may even speak out against gay marriage. But wouldn't his work with the Native Americans be unspeakably invaluable?

As for reproductive rights and sexual orientation, you're barking up the wrong tree. This is the Catholic Church, man, and you're holding secular values. They're never going to be progressive on reproductive rights or sexual orientation - it goes against Catholic dogma, and they can't change that without Jesus himself coming back and revising things in person.

Women and the HIV crisis, yeah, they could be better about that. If we get a black pope (and we might), then it's very plausible that the Catholic stance on HIV might improve dramatically in a VERY short period of time. As for women, that's one area I don't expect improvement for at least a couple decades.

And that's what I'm talking about. Right now, there are a lot of very conservative forces in the Catholic Church, which means that the next pope isn't likely to be a crucader for women in the church. You think these conservative cardinals are ever going to bend on someone who wants to allow women clergy, or who wants to do something about the sexual repression of clergy exploding into pedophilia scandals? Hell no - those are dirty open secrets, and the last thing these folks want is a pope who will air them out.

I don't think the pope poses a danger to the world. Just to Catholics. And Catholics have a place within the world. I voted for one in November. Of course, he wasn't orthodox, but what about the ones who are?
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